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I can't find a reason the article does not use her married name, Neilia Hunter Biden? The sources seem to include Biden, as do the gravestone and park named in her memory.

Leaving this open for now in deference to a Chesterton's Fence. Leave a note if you can think of a reason. Or feel free to move if enough time has elapsed, no reason was found, and I disappeared in some pandemic (or, more likely, simply forgot about it). --Matthias Winkelmann (talk) 17:57, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 7 November 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: move Gameshowandsportsfan2007 (talk) 17:03, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Neilia Hunter → Neilia Hunter Biden – This is the name on her gravestone here. cookie monster (2020) 755 19:51, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - pinging @Matthias Winkelmann: who expressed an opinion above. Paintspot Infez (talk) 23:26, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support. CookieMonster755, since you created this article over the redirect to Family of Joe Biden, can you settle the Chesterton's fence concerns expressed above by explaining why you originally chose to use her maiden name? I suppose maiden names are standard for use in family trees such as the one shown in that article, in which case for consistency we should probably have the name Jill Tracy Jacobs in the chart. – wbm1058 (talk) 05:00, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, sorry for the late response. The reason why I created it as Neilia Hunter is because that was the name originally listed at Biden family. cookie monster (2020) 755 03:15, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support. --Clemens (Talk) 10:19, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This should be automatic. She did not have any public presence as Neilia Hunter and she adopted the name Biden just like Jill Biden. —Мандичка^YO 😜 14:17, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support, as this was her name. Free1Soul (talk) 17:55, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support, as outlined before. Thank you for the @Paintspot:.--Matthias Winkelmann (talk) 01:06, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nomination, wbm1058, Clemens, Мандичка, Free1Soul and Matthias Winkelmann. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 04:11, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. It was literally her name, and it's the name she's referred to as in every reliable source. Maybe consider speedy move/close as uncontroversial move consensus? Paintspot Infez (talk) 17:53, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support based on the grave inscription.^[1] I tried to find what name she used when married to Joe Biden but could not find any articles that mentioned her full name. I did learn that at the time the New York Times consistently referred to Joe Biden as "Joseph R. Biden Jr." I don't know if that was the Time's editorial practice at the time or if Joe Biden consistently used his formal name in public releases at that time. NY Times' "Biden's wife, child killed in car crash" published December 19, 1972 used "Nealia" instead of "Neilia." I assume this is an error as the story was likely phoned in. Her gravestone and marker use Neilia. That same article names the children as Amy (18 months and killed in the crash), Joseph R. Biden 3d (age 4), and Robert (age 3). Somewhere along the line they became known as Naomi, Beau, and Hunter. I also support Paintspot's speedy close suggestion. If someone later finds good evidence that her WP:COMMONNAME was Neilia Hunter then it's easy to add supporting citations and move the article back to the correct name. I found some articles from 2019/2020 that used "Neilia Hunter" but suspect that's because that's the name used here on Wikipedia. I tried to chase those articles back to sources from 1966-1975 without luck. I did see one mention of "Neilia Hunter-Biden" in a photo caption created in 2010.^[2] --Marc Kupper|talk 20:09, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see why we have an article on this subject at all, per WP:NOTINHERITED and WP:BLP1E. BD2412 T 17:34, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You are more than free to start a deletion request

cookie monster (2020) 755 04:08, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, Biden is literally 70 days from becoming the literal President of the United States, and every single spouse of a President of the United States has an article, including spouses that married a former President after that President left office (see Caroline C. Fillmore and Mary Dimmick Harrison), spouses who divorced before their spouse became president (see Jane Wyman, Ivana Trump, and Marla Maples), and—the category Neilia belongs to—spouses who died before their spouse became president (see Martha Jefferson, Rachel Jackson, Hannah Van Buren, Nell Arthur, and Alice Hathaway Lee Roosevelt.) Paintspot Infez (talk) 21:59, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Also preemptive support for keeping the article. People sometimes get a little over zealous in regards to WP:NOTINHERITED, but this is clearly an instance to WP:IGNORE that rule. WestCD (talk) 03:54, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Requested move 7 November 2020

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