Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Accumulating Space Device (ASD)

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The result was no consensus. v/r - TP 15:05, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Accumulating Space Device (ASD)

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Article about a fringe technology which will open up the conquest of outer space by means of a satellite "accumulating various atmospheric gases, liquid and solid substances". I wonder why nobody thought of that before? Unreferenced, of course. Only 4 non-WP ghits. Fails WP:OR, WP:RS andy (talk) 10:01, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• Note: On further inspection the article seems to be based on a misunderstanding of an apparently feasible, if somewhat dodgy, proposed technology that is referred to in Alexander Mayboroda - an example reference is here. There are some question marks over Alexander Mayboroda as well - written largely by the same author, containing the same wild speculations (10,000 tonne satellites?) and possibly also COI. andy (talk) 12:50, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I fear we will have to delete as well the article Alexander Mayboroda as (nearly?) everything that its creator, Ivan.sychev108, has added to various space-related articles, as it clearly does not live up to Wikipedia:Notability. Ivan.sychev108 has not yet reacted to several requests from editors after his partially excessive edits. We are not urged to accept anything out of sheer politeness. --Hans Dunkelberg (talk) 09:23, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

• Delete no referencesCurb Chain (talk) 11:57, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 18:23, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

• Keep There are several references for PROFAC, including the British Institute of Spaceflight journal. The IEEE gives us another variant name PHARO—Propellant harvesting of atmospheric resources in orbit and Google Scholar gives one of the several PROFAC papers as well as the Smithsonian/NASA Astrophysics Data System. Though the article content is at present a little off, it could easily be referenced and improved. Chaosdruid (talk) 19:00, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

• Quite apart from the very limited references to PROFAC, this article goes way beyond that into the realms of fruit-loopery. There ain't no such beast as an "Accumulating Space Device". andy (talk) 22:08, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Fruit-loopery :¬) It is a little more down the line of WP:NEOLOGISM I think that perhaps renaming with a descriptive title that better than this one, or merging it to another suitable article are probably better than deleting it out-of-hand. If you like you can userify it to my user space if the vote is delete and I will chop it about and find suitable homes once refd.

"Orbital harvesters that collect propellants" is a bit of a mouthful though. I will look for any NASA references to the topic. Chaosdruid (talk) 01:40, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

It is looking as if the only refs from NASA are to the [MHDs]. Chaosdruid (talk) 01:48, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Gentlemen, It is nice to meet you all here. You may all have various thoughts about this topic which is normal. But i suggest that you get a bit more patient so that i can find more reliable references...i am new to it..not like you..and of course it takes time to get it right. Some of you may have an interest in space-related topics etc etc...but first of all you have to realise what you are deliting...it;s not a big deal to delete. Get an expert to get into this Mr Dyson, Louis Friedman etc etc. These guys have been closely affiliated with the Planetary Society..they know a lot about these projects.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivan.sychev108 (talk • contribs) 18:50, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Dear Chaosdruid, thank You very much for Your additional information about what I call Accumulating Space Device (ASD). All your references will be included in the article as soon as I have some spare time. The thing is this term (Accumulating Space Device or Космический аппарат накопитель (КАН)) has been accepted and used in Russian patents and russian publications. I dont mind if you can offer a better term fot it. It is very nice to find out that within your circles of Wiki editors there are some knowledgable and competent specialists in space-related topics. I am also working on creating a Russian version of Wiki Article regarding Accumulating Space Devices. But I dont have much time for it...soon it will be ready. hopefully. Dear Chaosdruid, please, could You tell me where I could make a complaint about some of the wiki editors who brake the rules of discussions and offend creators of wiki articles in advance without bothering to get the drift of what is being written (created)? thank you very much for Your help kind regards from russia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivan.sychev108 (talk • contribs) 11:24, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science-related deletion discussions. —andy (talk) 13:37, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

• Weak delete. No evidence of notability, and no sources provided. The PROFAC/PHARO concept may perhaps be notable (see the IEEE paper cited by Chaosdruid), and a completely rewritten article on that topic may be a keeper, but it is not clear that any of the present content would find a place in such an article. -- 202.124.74.236 (talk) 05:36, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:05, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

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• Delete No sources, reads like bad science fiction.--Djohns21 (talk) 21:21, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
• Keep Gentlemen, all it needs is a modification for which i have not had time yet cos i have been busy with my first article. Another thing is that somehow or other I JUST CANNOT INSERT ANY REFERENCES in it.. it seems like the system has gone wrong or something...There are already a number of references inserted in the text (but not in a proper way unfortunately). So please, help to put them properly.

If NASA and organazations like the British Interplanetary Society are not authorities for you and if things they speak about are not notable....I feel really sorry for you. thank you [[Ivan.sychev108 (talk) 17:10, 4 August 2011 (UTC)]]

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